By: Julie Washington
August 17th, 2015
TWINSBURG, Ohio — As teenagers, brothers Aaron and Harley Magden learned about the home improvement business by filing paperwork and writing up estimates at Regency Windows, their father’s Cleveland-based business.
When Regency Windows was sold and then shuttered, the brothers teamed up to start their own windows, siding and doors business. The new venture, Window Nation, started in Baltimore in 2006 and now serves Northeastern Ohio, Washington, D.C., Philadelphia, northern Virginia and all of Maryland.
Harley Magden, 39, oversees marketing and finance as Window Nation’s president. Aaron Magden, 35, is vice president of sales. The $40 million company has 50 employees and is the 11th largest window company in the country, according to the Magdens.
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The brothers grew up in Solon, earned degrees at John Carroll University and currently live in Baltimore, although they consider Cleveland as home. Let’s get to know them – and learn about the window repair business – in this Q&A profile.
I understand this is a family business. How did it get started?
Aaron: Our grandfather started in the home remodeling business in the 1960s. Regency Windows was started by our father, Mike Magden. In 2004, Dad retired and sold Regency Windows to a venture capitalist. My brother and I decided to go our own way. We really love the home improvement industry; it was in our blood. So we took our talents to Baltimore in 2006. That’s when Window Nation originated.
Harley: Aaron and I picked the Baltimore/ Washington, D.C. area for several reasons. We had a non-compete (agreement not to compete with Regency Windows), yet wanted to stay within driving distance of Cleveland. The Baltimore-Washington, D.C., is one of the largest markets in the country.
What brought you back to Cleveland?
Harley: The company our father sold ended up going bankrupt. We opened a showroom in Twinsburg in 2008. A lot of the people who worked for Regency Windows now work for us. We pride ourselves that the windows are made locally in Streetsboro.
How have windows changed through the years?
Aaron: It started off with wood, double-hung, single-pane windows that operate with a rope and a pulley.
As you get into the late 1960s and early 1970s, they came out with vinyl windows. People said, the wood’s beautiful, but we’re painting them, we’re staining them, we gotta maintain them. So geez, what if we came up with a product that was maintenance-free? And, it would be two panes of glass hermetically sealed together (for better insulation). Now the windows tilted in for cleaning. It was the best thing since sliced bread.
In the late 1970s and early 1980s, they started adding coatings to the glass to make it more efficient in blocking the sun’s rays in summer and letting the warmth in during winter. At this time, vinyl windows were made with argon gas between the panes of glass for insulation.
Why test for lead paint before a window replacement job?
Aaron: In houses built prior to 1940, there’s a high chance there is lead in the paint.
Yeah, you can paint over it, but when we’re taking out the window, we’re scratching through different layers. That lead becomes airborne dust that is very damaging to your health.
We have to perform a lead test on every window. If a job has lead paint, we do containment. We cover up all of your furniture and put plastic up as if we were doing sanding.
How much do new windows cost?
Harley: The average price of a new window ranges from $400 to $1,000 per window, depending on the labor involved to install it, the window’s size and its options.
About 60% of our customers get all the windows in their houses replaced all at once. We actually track that.
(The 2015 Cost Vs Value Report estimated that, in Cleveland, the cost of replacing 10 double-hung windows with insulated vinyl replacement windows would run between $10,000 and $13,000.)
Why do homeowners buy replacement windows?
Aaron: Obviously, efficiency. If they have drafts, heavy condensation or ice buildup in the windows in the wintertime, they know it’s time to replace the windows. Houses built in the 1970s and 1980s often have dual-pane windows with metal spaces between the panes. Water and ice can build up between the panes, which leads to mold.
Having maintenance-free windows is another big thing; you don’t have to paint vinyl. Some people are getting older and they can’t wash the windows anymore. They want them to tilt in.
Newer windows have coatings that filter out UV rays. It’s pointless to get new furniture when it’s going to get faded (from sunlight); this protects the furniture in the house.
Harley: Many houses built in the 1980s and 1990s were built with builder-grade windows made of thin vinyl or inexpensive wood and clear glass with no coatings. Because when a homeowner is building a house, what do they want to focus on? The kitchen, the bath. Who cares about windows? Most of our work is replacing old vinyl windows that have already failed in newer homes.
Another big thing is seal failure, which makes the interior glass surface look foggy and cloudy, and you can’t wash it. This condition is caused by moisture getting in between the panes.
If all of the windows in an average three-bedroom home were replaced, what would be the savings in energy costs?
Aaron: It depends on how bad the old windows were, how well insulated the house is, and how warm the homeowners like the temperature of the house. We don’t guarantee anything, but homeowners should see heating bills come down by 15% to 25% in houses built from the 1920s to 1950s. Newer homes will see comparable savings. That is the number-one reason why reason people replace their windows.
When did you first realize your passion for the home improvement business?
Harley: I went to school full-time at John Carroll University – double majoring in finance and marketing –while working at Regency Windows 30 hours a week. I started writing up job folders and doing filing in the office. After five to six years, I was able to apply what I was learning in school to the business.
Aaron: When I was 17, my dad let me start going to clients’ homes and providing estimates, and that’s when I fell in love with meeting with homeowners and helping them out. It really just clicked.
We take the same philosophy that our dad always did, that family touch. We know every employee. We travel to all the branches all the time. We’re not these arm chair quarterbacks sipping pina coladas in Florida. We’re working all the time.
Source: REPLACEMENT CONTRACTOR Magazine
Publication date: June 7, 2012
By Jim Cory
Aaron and Harley Magden, co-owners of Window Nation, in Glen Burnie, Md., grew up working for Regency Windows, in Cleveland. Regency was founded by their grandfather, Melvin Magden, and was owned for many years by their father, Mike Magden.
The Magden family sold Regency Windows in 2005 to an investor group, and in 2006 the Magden brothers moved to Maryland and opened Window Nation. Since that time, Window Nation has expanded to four branch locations, including Cleveland. The company recently purchased the assets of Regency Windows, which went out of business in February 2012.
Replacement Contractor: Rumor has it that selling windows is a tough business right now. Any truth to that?
Harley Magden: There’s a little truth to that. It’s definitely challenging now, for multiple reasons. A mild winter, along with the economy and the election, has repressed demand. We had a similar situation four years ago. People sat back waiting to see who would be elected. In Maryland, a lot of them could lose their jobs one way or the other. But it’s slow in all the markets where we are. So it’s more the industry than anything else.
RC: Why did you and your brother decide to open Window Nation?
HM: We grew up in the business and knew it well and wanted to take what we learned on the street with my father and grandfather. I’m a college graduate, but I wanted to take window replacement to the next level. We looked at it less as a family business than as entrepreneurs. We started from scratch and set out to build something new.
RC: You must have learned a lot working with your father at Regency. In running your own company, what turned out to be the biggest surprise?
HM: I like to think we were prepared for almost everything. The only thing you can’t prepare for is the economy tanking. We opened up in 2006, and two years later the stock market crashed.
RC: Were you having second thoughts about your career choice at that point?
HM: We didn’t look at it as discouraging. We looked at it from the standpoint of what we needed to do to make growth, and sales, happen. We knew people needed windows, and we knew they would buy them from somebody, so we set out to be the company that they would buy them from.
RC: What would make those customers buy them from you?
HM: Well, without giving away the secret sauce, we sell a good-quality product at a reasonable price and we make customers happy. We won the REPLACEMENT CONTRACTOR Service Excellence Award because we make them happy. We’ve won awards from Angie’s List and the BBB.
But we also offer a fair price, and selection. We’re not pricing ourselves out of the market. And they don’t have to go to four places to look at four different kinds of windows. They can buy vinyl, wood, fiberglass, or metal from us.
Branch Location Strategy
RC: You started your operation in Maryland and now have three branches operating in five states. What’s key to making a branch operation succeed?
HM: The only thing that will make it succeed is having the right person running it. Take someone working for you for a while who is willing to move. You have to grow with them. If you don’t have that right person — someone you trust, who understands the company and its systems — you can have all the leads you need, the best salespeople, it doesn’t matter.
RC: How do you monitor what’s going on at the branches and how often do you monitor it?
HM: You have to have a good software package, a system that can produce Readers Digest version reports, so you can track things. We use ImproveIt 360. That allows us to keep our eye on the important metrics in each office. We also do video conferencing once a week with all the branches.
RC: How has your marketing changed since you opened Window Nation?
HM: It’s been a roller coaster. One reason is the tax credit. All you had to do with the tax credit was say you were selling windows and they’d call.
Our ad costs fell because so many people wanted windows. Of course, today a lot of our marketing — this is no shock — is based on the Internet. Living Social and Groupon are media sources we use on a monthly basis. They weren’t even around seven years ago. We were doing none of those.
Rising Lead Costs
RC: Dave Yoho Associates says a survey of its members found that leads — issued appointments — are costing $299. Have your lead costs gone up in the last year or two?
HM: Yes, they’re up. We have tried to analyze why. It’s not because of the cost of advertising. A lot of our advertising costs have fallen, like with print, for instance. But our actual lead cost has gone up. It’s actually because there are fewer buyers out there right now.
RC: You launched a canvassing operation about a year ago, right? How have you done with that?
HM: That’s a small part of our marketing. We launched a canvassing operation in Virginia. And we now have one in Ohio and one in Maryland. It’s met our expectations. But we don’t do shows and events.
RC: How do you make canvassing work?
HM: You have to find the right person to manage the program. It’s all about finding and training new people. And it’s a tough job. Without an experienced canvass manager, it’s very tough to get it started. And with an organization the size of ours, it’s not like you can send a few people out and come back with four or five leads. We need a lot of leads.
RC: Are you finding the canvassing field overcrowded? Are people in neighborhoods starting to react negatively?
HM: Yes, definitely in certain areas. We try to avoid them. Places where you knock and people say: Hey, there was somebody here last month canvassing. We feel it’s best to canvass around your installs rather than throwing a dart in some area.
RC: What other kinds of marketing have been successful?
HM: In Charlotte we find the customer who is really happy and feature them on a piece of print material. So it’s a little more personable. We are trying different things to see what works. We experiment. We advertise in everything from high school sporting events to online, church events, community newsletters … Everything but home shows.
RC: Does social media generate leads for Window Nation?
HM: It does bring in leads, but those leads take longer to develop. It’s more about branding than a call to action. Contests generate activity. We have 4,000 fans on Facebook. Not as many as Hansons, but not bad for a window company.
Why Buy Regency Windows
RC: You recently bought up the assets of Regency Windows, in Cleveland, the company your father and grandfather once owned. Why did you feel that was a smart business move?
HM: Regency had been around for such a long time, and there were assets that had value. I mean, intellectual property and the customer list of 50,000 names. We felt that the purchase of Regency would help us toward our goal of being the No. 1 window company in Cleveland. If we hadn’t bought it, someone else would have.
RC: Does your father ever offer you advice, or does he stay out of what you’re doing?
HM: Both. He’s always there to answer questions. He called me today to tell me he’d gotten something of ours in the mail and he’d also gotten a coupon book with advertisements from all these other window companies.
He’ll go through the book and discuss the offers and what we should do. He is as active as we want him to be. We do ask him for advice every now and then, and he’s always willing to offer his opinion.
City Biz List
April 27, 2012
Huntersville – Window Nation, one of the nation’s top remodelers based on national rankings, is expanding its showroom in Huntersville.
The new 2,500-square-foot showroom, at 15905 Brookway Drive, Suite 4104 in Huntersville, features name-brand vinyl, fiberglass and wood windows in settings that simulate the interior and exterior walls of a home, so buyers can see how the windows look once installed. The company offers thousands of options for replacement windows to ensure all customers can find windows that meet their needs.
“In the midst of a tough economy, we’re finding Charlotte-area homeowners are still paying attention to their homes’ upkeep and value,” says Window Nation President Harley Magden. “Windows that improve energy efficiency have been especially good sellers in this market.”
For customers who prefer in-home demonstrations, Window Nation specialists bring samples directly to the home, giving customers a realistic view of how the windows will appear in their own setting. The company also carries an impressive variety of siding and doors. To request a free estimate, customers can visit https://wnationstaging.wpengine.com.
Ninety-one percent of customers who have completed Window Nation’s post-installation survey have said they would refer the company to friends and family. Window Nation ranks 20th on Replacement Contractor’s Replacement 100 List of the 100 largest companies in the home improvement industry, and 28th on Qualified Remodeler’s Top 500 list of the nation’s top 500 remodelers ranked by revenue.
Window Nation, headquartered in Baltimore, was founded by brothers Harley and Aaron Magden after working for years in their father’s window business. The company operates in North Carolina, South Carolina, Maryland, Ohio, Virginia and Washington, D.C., and is a member of the Charlotte Better Business Bureau. Learn more at wnationstaging.wpengine.com or call 704-816-1720.
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Window Nation steps up when the closing of Regency Windows in Twinsburg leaves homeowners in a lurch.
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Publish Date: January 20, 2012
The Regency Window Co. in Twinburg has been shut for a week, and consumers, city officials and the Better Business Bureau are trying to figure out what’s up.
Harley Magden of Window Nation comments on news from competitor Regency Windows.
By Sara Kehaulani Goo, Published: October 27
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By many measures, Washington’s residential real estate market is one of the strongest in the nation. But in one of the weakest markets in decades, that’s not likely to bring much comfort — especially if you need to buy or sell a home.
Looking ahead to 2012, there’s even more uncertainty as lawmakers and federal regulators consider the future of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and other policy changes that will affect financing, taxes and interest rates.
That’s why today we’re starting an occasional feature called Market Insight, where we will interview people who have a unique perspective on the real estate market and who can tell us where we are and where we are headed.
This feature is one of several fresh voices I plan to introduce to The Washington Post Real Estate section. Since taking over as Real Estate editor in September, I’ve focused on making the section more local and more relevant to homeowners, local residents, prospective homebuyers and the real estate community.
We’ve started a new Twitter account, so please follow us at @PostRealEstate. We will have more exciting features to share in print and online in the coming months. Stay tuned.
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Despite the gloomy real estate market, Glen Burnie, Md.-based Window Nation has seen its business grow by at least 20 percent this year and expects to continue steady growth and hiring next year.
Why isn’t it seeing a downturn? Call it the “recession investment,” but improvements such as new windows are seen by many homeowners as an expense that can also pay off by lowering utility bills in the long run. The federal government offered a $1,500 tax credit to homeowners who installed energy-saving windows in 2010. Although that tax credit has expired, other federal tax credits are still available for homeowners for $200 for replacing windows and up to $500 for replacing doors and windows.
I asked co-owners and brothers Harley and Aaron Magden about their business and the outlook for 2012.
You say your revenue was up 70 percent last year. How is that possible in our weak economy? Why are people buying windows?
Harley Magden: Obviously, last year with the big federal tax credit certainly helped to drive our business up. It’s been changed to a much smaller $200 to $500 tax credit this year. [www.energystar.gov]
We’ve talked to a lot of our suppliers and we know 90 percent of companies are down this year. There’s a lot of uncertainty.
Ninety percent of our business is windows. When people can’t sell their houses because they’re underwater [on their mortgage] or for whatever reason, they tend to stay in those houses and fix them up. If you’re $100,000 or 20 or 30 percent underwater, you’re not moving for a while. You’re thinking, “What can I do for my home to make it easier for me to live here?” There are very few things you can do to maintain the value of your home.
What’s the average amount of money that customers spend with you to install new windows in their home?
Aaron Magden: The average sale is about $6,500.
We hear a lot about the green movement, but are you seeing any growth in that ? Is it just the upper end of the market?
Harley Magden: A lot more people in the white-collar areas, such as Northern Virginia, Bethesda, care about that than in Baltimore or Cleveland. Some people say, “Yeah, it’s important, but I don’t want to pay more for it.”
Who are your customers and what is your strategy for growth?
Aaron Magden: Thirty percent of our business is referrals. We encourage customers to do online reviews. I monitor everything. Every time Window Nation comes up in an online review, I get a Google alert. We monitor a lot of customer advocate groups like Yelp and Angie’s List and Insider Pages. When people are shopping, they go to the Internet. When you type in “windows,” there [are] reviews and blogs. We’re always in there.
If a customer gives us a negative review, I call them. Some people, they’re never going to be happy. But when people are looking for windows and they see these blogs, they realize for the most part we have a 98.8 percent customer satisfaction rate.
Harley Magden: For 2012, we look at it differently than other companies. This is multibillion-dollar business and — regardless of how bad things are — there’s still going to be billions spent. If the overall market doesn’t increase, we have to just gain market share. That’s our strategy.
You also advertise with the Washington Capitals. Why that audience?
Harley Magden: We just started to feel that it’s a good market for us, especially as they were doing so well last season. The people who go to Caps games are our customers; the median household income skews higher. The demographics are strong toward people who have replaced windows. We looked at football. We turned down a Ravens deal recently. The popularity with the Caps is huge. When people go online [on our site], one of the things we have is a contest to win tickets “on the glass” at the Caps game. We ask a series of questions, like, “Are you interested in replacing your windows?” We only contact those people who are interested. And, believe it or not, they are open to hearing more about our products.
How many people do you employ? What’s your outlook for hiring?
Harvey Magden: About 80 people locally — that includes our headquarters and Baltimore and Northern Virginia sales offices and installers. We aggressively hire the entire year. We’re always looking for better people. Installation is different — you have to have certain certifications and we do our own training. Just because you know how to install a window doesn’t mean you know how to install our windows.
I hired someone in February in marketing who is dedicated to Internet and social media. We have 2,700 people who “like” Window Nation on Facebook.
We will be hiring about 15 to 20 people next year.
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Solon brothers follow in father’s footsteps
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Published: Sunday, August 28, 2011, 9:13 AM
By Thomas Jewell, Sun News
SOLON For Harley and Aaron Magden of Window Nation, less is more, at least when it comes to marketing and product presentation.
And their father, Mike Magden, late of Regency Windows, really can’t argue with the results.
Back in the day, “Mikey” was known for his over-the-top commercials. He smashed windows, slashed prices and waved cash.
Then he sold Regency Windows in 2004 and eventually retired to Aurora, although Harley and Aaron stayed on as marketing and sales vice presidents.
That lasted until early 2006, when the brothers from Solon left Regency and started their own company, Window Nation, signing a “non-compete clause” with Regency and setting up operations in Baltimore.
Incidentally, the “non-compete” clause expired in 2008, and Window Nation now operates in Maryland, Washington, D.C., North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, and yes, Ohio.
The brothers have since opened up a showroom in Bedford Heights on Miles and Richmond roads.
“It’s definitely interesting running up against the company you helped run and your father owned,” Harley said in a conference call with Aaron and Mike, who took a little time away from a vacation in Put-in-Bay.
In fact, Harley and Aaron had worked in the industry all their lives, starting as warehouse boys in their teens. They basically worked in “every facet, except installation.”
They also gave their assurances that no child labor laws were ever broken, as they worked while attending Solon High School in the 1990s and after that, John Carroll University.
“I don’t think there’s anything on the books about unloading trucks when you’re 10,” younger brother Aaron quipped, having moved over to sales after finishing school.
As it turns out, Mikey, a Cleveland Heights High graduate, grew up in the business as well. It was his father, Melvin Magden, who got things started with a general home improvement company in Cleveland Heights.
Aaron and Melvin’s relatively low-key business approach continues to pay off. Last year, Window Nation earned over $20 million in revenue. It ranks 37th on Replacement Contractor’s list of the 100 largest companies in the home improvement industry, and 28th on Qualified Remodeler’s list of the nation’s top 500 remodelers ranked by revenue.
The windows are manufactured in Streetsboro, according to the company website.
The Magdens also do a lot of charitable work in Cleveland, their most recent project being with Goodwill earlier this summer.
They have donated a portion of their sales, employee time and windows to Habitat for Humanity and Ireland Cancer Center. They’ve also been involved with the Cleveland Animal Protective League.
And Mike couldn’t be prouder.
“They’ve done a superb job, following what I taught them,” the retired Mikey said. “Here are two guys who learned the business, opened up their own company and moved to a new place.
“And they did it in an economy that was wobbly, expanding to five states,” the elder Magden added.
Asked if they would ever consider emulating the old man’s approach on commercials, Harley said it was highly doubtful.
“I don’t think we can get up to that level. We’re not as animated.”
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For brothers, selling windows is a way of life
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The Interview: Harley and Aaron Magden, Window Nation
September 04, 2011 | By Jamie Smith Hopkins, The Baltimore Sun
Brothers Harley Magden (left) and Aaron Magden are pictured… (Baltimore Sun photo by Lloyd Fox)
Harley and Aaron Magden grew up working in the family business — supplying replacement windows to homeowners — but decided to make a change when their father sold the Ohio company.
The brothers are still selling windows. But now they’re doing it from Glen Burnie.
Five years after founding Window Nation in the Baltimore area, the brothers have built the company into the 28th-largest firm on trade magazine Qualified Remodeler’s list of the top 500 home-improvement companies nationwide. Revenue rose 70 percent last year over the year before.
Not counting part-time installers, the company employs 26 in the area and just as many elsewhere — including Ohio. Window Nation entered the Cleveland market when the brothers’ noncompete clause with father Mike Magden’s former business, Regency Window Co., expired in 2008.
Harley, 35, and Aaron, 31, are married; each has a young daughter. They say they’ve settled into the Baltimore area and have no plans to move back to Cleveland.
The brothers talked with The Baltimore Sun recently about Window Nation’s rapid growth, why they came to the Baltimore region — and which football team they root for when the Ravens go up against the Cleveland Browns.
How did you increase the company’s revenue 70 percent last year?
Harley: A lot of things going our way. One of them was the [federal] tax credit [of up to $1,500 for energy-efficiency projects], which recently expired. No. 2, we increased our advertising budget significantly to try to penetrate the market. We’re relatively new in this area, so we’re just trying to increase brand recognition.
Aaron: We took a lot of the market share. We offer a lot of different windows for different budgets. We’re sort of like GM: We offer a Chevy, we offer a Buick, we offer a Cadillac.
How has the rough economy and difficult housing market affected your industry?
Aaron: Most people aren’t thinking about buying new houses. They’re staying in their existing house. Out of all the home-improvement projects that can be done, windows are something that will pay you back. They’ll save people on their energy. That’s been a big hit for us because it’s not like a kitchen, where it’s just beautifying the home. There’s a lot of wants, but this is a need.
How’s business this year?
Harley: We’re tracking up around 20 percent this year. Which all things considered is very strong, considering, on average, trade publications … say the markets are down 5 to 8 percent.
Why did you decide to leave your father’s company after he sold it?
Harley: We stayed on for a little while — so did he — and basically ended up leaving the company to move on to bigger and better things.
We figured we had been in this business for a while, we knew it and we wanted to open a new company. … We did have a noncompete [agreement initially] so we could not just open up in the city we lived in. So we checked out about 10 different cities and ended up here in Baltimore.
The housing stock is of the right age, the economy is very strong and stable because of all the government work and government employees, and it’s just so conducive to expanding. … Philadelphia is close, Charlotte is close. … Plus my brother and I really like the area.
Aaron: When we were younger, my dad used to take us to the Harbor every few years, and he’d take us to Ocean City.
How’s the competition with the ex-family business going?
Aaron: In the beginning we were fighting tooth and nail. … We’re probably larger than they are now.
They’re taking a corporate strategy into a family-owned … business, which is slowly but surely deteriorating them.
What does your father think of your company and the fact that you’re competing with his former business?
Aaron: He’s very proud of us and what we’ve put together. Obviously we’ve learned a lot through him and through our family. It’s really not that big of a deal that we’re competing against his old company, because once we left, a lot of the employees that we hired had left. … My dad doesn’t have that attachment that he would have if my brother Harley and I stayed on.
Mike Magden was known for doing wild television commercials — yelling, “I’m gonna save you a lotta money!” What are your ads like?
Harley: Totally different. … We don’t do the eye-catching, loud commercials like my father did. We definitely take things down a notch. My brother and I have appeared on a few ads on radio and TV, but that’s not really our forte. We like to stay on the low-key side of things.
What’s the competition like in this region?
Harley: It’s very fragmented. … There’s really a lot of room for growth.
Do you make your own windows?
Harley: We don’t make our own windows, but we have an agreement where one of the local manufacturers makes the windows … designed specifically for us. And [the windows are] also designed for [the climate in] this market.
How old were you when you got into the family business?
Harley: I started when I was 16, so about 19 years ago.
Aaron: Probably about 15 or 14. I was unloading the window trucks when they came in.
Was there a part of you that wanted to try something besides windows when you left?
Harley: We took time off and really thought about what direction to go in. … Windows [were] the only thing that would force us to move; anything else, we could have stayed [in Ohio] if we wanted to. So it wasn’t an easy decision.
Why did you do it?
Aaron: We just figured we knew this industry best. … Our whole plan was to open up here and then have Cleveland as well, which we did. We were possibly going to move back, but now that our parents live in Florida, Baltimore’s our home. We have no plans of leaving.
Harley: We’re still Browns fans, though.